#anti milkvan canon

[gayofthefae]

In putting Will in the beginning of it and cutting back to him, they, once again made it so that Mike wasn't saying "I love you" to El. He wasn't committing to El. He was leaving Will. And that's all they wanted you to be thinking about it.

Is he filling El's heart? It doesn't matter, because all you can think about is "is he breaking Will's?"

Will should not have been there for it to be romantic. If you establish that the action that you've been building to as the big romantic gesture will crush someone's soul...and then you do it?

Yeah, that was not meant to make us feel good.

[nobodyinourstars]

STOPPPP😭😭😭😭😭

[coventhewise]

canon (+ almost canon) couples and light glowing between them

—jancy

—lumax

—jopper

—rovickie

—byler

[rawrx3ky-txt]

The way Mike looks at El 😻😻

You can tell he truly does love her and they are going to be together forever 🥰😻

[queermikewheelertruther]

mileven vs byler fight

I think by now we’ve all seen that “I really want s5 to be milevens season” post, but I noticed something interesting about it.

“No fights.” Now this isn’t just specific to this post, I’ve seen plenty of other milevens say similar things and just generally being against the idea of a mileven fight.

But compare this to Bylers. I’ve seen countless amounts of posts wishing/begging for another Byler fight, a rain fight, etc. But why is this? What’s the difference between mileven and Byler’s fights?

With Byler, their arguments always end resolved. Mike apologies to Will, and they tend to have some sort of intimate moment(s) afterwards. But compare this to mileven, they don’t. Any relationship issues mileven has had throughout the series haven’t really been resolved.

These problems just kind of build up overtime and result in things like an argument “you can’t come back from.” I also feel like this is why milevens don’t want a mileven fight again. They know that it wasn’t really fixed. Their relationship isn’t doing so well by the end of s4.

As for Byler, their fights build on to their relationship, and also just their characters. As we’ve seen in s4, the rain fight encouraged Mike to join a dnd campaign again, and also attempt to bring the party back together. And their s4 fight, well I mean, all I have to say is the flirtatious bedroom scene(s) LMAOO

But milevens can clearly see that it’s not the same case for mileven. A fight wouldn’t help their relationship, because they don’t understand each other when they have a disagreement romantically.

(id also like to add that milevens arguments just… aren’t on the same level as bylers. for example, milevens ‘fight’ in s3 didn’t feel emotional. it felt like the average teen couple breaking up but it didn’t feel devastating or even that big of a deal. as for byler, they want you to feel kind of taken back by their fights. they want you to go “wow, this is a pretty serious argument that no other friendship seems to have in the show.” and for a reason too. milevens fight in s4, it was upsetting but in a specific way. they’re trying to make it feel unappealing, hence why mileven is always separated and having problems throughout the series.)

[samcats]

Even if Byler doesn’t happen, it is and always will be queer baiting and I’m not going to act like it isn’t

This isn’t us being delusional, this is Netflix using a popular gay ship to promote the show.

This is the Duffers purposely pairing up the couples and Byler, suggesting Byler is a couple

Annddd Will having a crush on Mike that opens up the possibility of a queer couple being canon

Making a gay character have his whole plotline revolve around having a crush on a guy just to turn around and say “well actually that guy doesn’t like him back!” And then make the heterosexual couple endgame is extremely scummy.

They did not have to open up the possibility of a queer couple, yet they did. If they end up sticking with milkshake for season 5 instead of Byler after making it SO clear that it could happen, it by definition is queer baiting

[queen-of-hawkins-why-ler]

"They won't split up the MAIN couple of the show >:(((" and the main couple of the show in question is a girl whose arc has actively included her becoming progressively more self-reliant and less dependent on her boyfriend across ALL seasons + a boy who has been staring wistfully at his best friend's lips and reaching for his hand since they were like 12

[stranger-theory]

okay but i can already see Those Milkvans going "well the reason we haven't seen Mike and El bts is because they're hiding something BIG that's gonna happen between them" like mf yeah they're breaking up thats pretty big

[bkdk-bylerthings]

I have been rewatching Stanger things & I just love all the byler things I am now just noticing. There’s actually a lot in season 3 I feel like the majority of people miss—they may be small and subtle but they’re there.

I think this is really interesting wording and then camera work right after what Will says which is:

“Welcome to my world” Will says to Mike Season 3 ep 5

Then both boys get in the back of the car then they show Lucas, Max, and El.

Max being in the middle—we get this frame:

Very interesting when both Mike and Will are putting on their seatbelts it looks like they are looking at Max’s colorful sleeves which could represent the pride flag. And this is right after we get Will’s words “Welcome to my world” 🤨 obviously this has a double meaning, the meaning I’m focusing on is Will being Gay and then telling Mike ‘welcome to being gay’ and to further prove that line is BOTH of them looking at pride sleeves.

… someone has probably already said this but I just wanted to put it into my own words. I’m sorta new to the byler fandom

[byleriscanon713by]

Bro I just realized the more feminine El gets through the series the less Mike likes her

[gtgmurdersomeone]

oop-

[junoisthecoolest]

SAY IT WITH ME. EL IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

[nobodyinourstars]

Who the hell is cutting onions????😭😭😭😭

[gayrapproves]

its called stranger things because its strange that mike and el are a thing

[bootsysblog15]

“Byler just doesnt make logical sense-“

Must i remind you that this is a science fiction tv show..? Based off of a fantasy role-play game..?

Byler could leave in a flying car Grease style for all i care. At that point i think id cheer louder 💀

[queermikewheelertruther]

“You only hate Mileven bc it’s straight!”

Not quite!! Maybe if Milkvan was as good as this top tier, adorable, romantic, genuine, authentic, passionate, and likable relationship these two have I would actually enjoy it.